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Skyrim SE crash on startup, just rebuilt mod list

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Okay, I've been away from Skyrim Special Edition for a bit, but wanted to get the thing working, mostly because with the Seducers and Saints CC item, I can have amber and madness armor again.  Plus, got the itch to play this while I'm stuck inside and Gopher is still doing the New Vegas modding updates.  But I can't seem to find the problem.  Without a single mod, and just having SKSE64 and the CC stuff, loads fine.  I load in mods, and then it crashes at startup.  And I can't find the conflict.  LOOT shows no conflicts, and when I try to load in SSEEdit all the mods, it crashes and says I can't edit.  I have cleaned all the files, I deleted the one bad reference in Killable Children that screwed up Aventus.  I think I'm missing a compatibility patch or some mod has gone wonky, but short of pulling everything and starting again, I can't find the error.  I'm going to stick my load order below, and see if you guys can catch what I'm missing.  Or is it LOOT sorting them wrong and that's the problem?

  0  0     Skyrim.esm
  1  1     Update.esm
  2  2     Dawnguard.esm
  3  3     HearthFires.esm
  4  4     Dragonborn.esm
254 FE   0 ccbgssse002-exoticarrows.esl
254 FE   1 ccbgssse004-ruinsedge.esl
254 FE   2 ccbgssse014-spellpack01.esl
254 FE   3 ccbgssse019-staffofsheogorath.esl
254 FE   4 ccbgssse020-graycowl.esl
  5  5     cceejsse001-hstead.esm
254 FE   5 ccbgssse018-shadowrend.esl
254 FE   6 ccedhsse001-norjewel.esl
254 FE   7 ccbgssse037-curios.esl
254 FE   8 ccbgssse043-crosselv.esl
  6  6     ccbgssse016-umbra.esm
  7  7     ccbgssse031-advcyrus.esm
254 FE   9 ccedhsse002-splkntset.esl
  8  8     ccbgssse025-advdsgs.esm
254 FE   a ccffbsse002-crossbowpack.esl
254 FE   b ccbgssse013-dawnfang.esl
  9  9     Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
254 FE   c Unofficial Saints and Seducers Patch.esl
254 FE   d Unofficial Dead Man's Dread Patch.esl
254 FE   e Unofficial Spell Knight Armor Patch.esl
254 FE   f Unofficial Dawnfang and Duskfang Patch.esl
254 FE  10 Unofficial Arcane Archer Pack Patch.esl
254 FE  11 Unofficial Expanded Crossbow Pack Patch.esl
254 FE  12 Unofficial Tundra Homestead Patch.esl
254 FE  13 Unofficial Umbra Patch.esl
254 FE  14 Unofficial Elite Crossbows Patch.esl
254 FE  15 Unofficial Nordic Jewelry Patch.esl
254 FE  16 Unofficial Gray Cowl Returns Patch.esl
254 FE  17 Unofficial Shadowrend Patch.esl
254 FE  18 Unofficial Arcane Accessories Patch.esl
254 FE  19 Unofficial Rare Curios Patch.esl
254 FE  1a Unofficial Ruin's Edge Patch.esl
254 FE  1b Unofficial Staff of Sheogorath Patch.esl
 10  a     RSkyrimChildren.esm
 11  b     ApachiiHair.esm
 12  c     ApachiiHairFemales.esm
 13  d     ApachiiHairMales.esm
 14  e     BSAssets.esm
 15  f     BSHeartland.esm
 16 10     MajesticMountains_Landscape.esm
 17 11     BS_DLC_patch.esp
 18 12     Campfire.esm
 19 13     ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
 20 14     SkyUI_SE.esp
 21 15     Circlets and Masks with all Robes and Hoods.esp
 22 16     SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
 23 17     Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
 24 18     NSUTR_bugfixes.esp
 25 19     NSUTR_groundsnow_mesh_fixes.esp
 26 1a     Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp
 27 1b     TrueStormsSE.esp
 28 1c     Mortal Enemies.esp
254 FE  1c BetterQuestObjectives.esp
 29 1d     Purewaters.esp
 30 1e     RelightingSkyrim_SSE.esp
 31 1f     iNeed.esp
 32 20     iNeed - Extended.esp
 33 21     Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
 34 22     Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
 35 23     Cutting Room Floor.esp
 36 24     RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
 37 25     AMatterOfTime.esp
 38 26     RaceMenu.esp
 39 27     RaceMenuPlugin.esp
 40 28     iHUD.esp
 41 29     IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
 42 2a     AHZmoreHUD.esp
 43 2b     Realistic AI Detection 2 SE Lite.esp
 44 2c     Book Covers Skyrim.esp
 45 2d     XPMSE.esp
 46 2e     FNIS.esp
 47 2f     CBBE.esp
 48 30     RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp
 49 31     Simple AUA.esp
 50 32     HearthFire Display Case Fix.esp
 51 33     SilentSneakAttack.esp
 52 34     honedmetal.esp
 53 35     BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
 54 36     SimplyKnock.esp
 55 37     Artful Dodger - Dynamic Pickpocket Cap.esp
 56 38     AllThievesGuildJobsConcurrently.esp
           RDO - USSEP Patch.esp
254 FE  1d TrueStormsWaterFix.esp
 57 39     CoT-BugFixesSE.esp
 58 3a     Audio Overhaul Skyrim - True Storms Patch.esp
 59 3b     BlendedRoads.esp
254 FE  1e SunDaytimeNorth_MM_default.esp
 60 3c     DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
 61 3d     Footprints.esp
 62 3e     MoonlightTalesMCM.esp
 63 3f     Ingot Crafting in Beyond Skyrim - NSR.esp
254 FE  1f Bruma - iNeed Patch.esp
 64 40     BSGlenroyAK.esp
 65 41     RSChildren Patch - BS Bruma.esp
 66 42     ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
254 FE  20 ClimatesOfTamriel-Bruma.esp
 67 43     Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Climates of Tamriel Patch.esp
254 FE  21 BetterQuestObjectives - BCS Patch.esp
254 FE  22 BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp
 68 44     Dawnguard Delayed - Level 30.esp
 69 45     CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
 70 46     Immersive Jewelry.esp
254 FE  23 YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp
 71 47     Stronger Daedric Artifacts SE.esp
 72 48     ColovianNobleClothes.esp
 73 49     AI Overhaul.esp
 74 4a     OpulentThievesGuild.esp
254 FE  24 OpulentThievesGuildPatch.esp
 75 4b     Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
254 FE  25 MajesticMountains.esp
 76 4c     TheChoiceIsYours.esp
 77 4d     SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp
 78 4e     SkyrimSewers.esp
 79 4f     Run For Your Lives.esp
 80 50     Immersive Weapons.esp
 81 51     DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp
 82 52     Cloaks.esp
 83 53     OBIS SE.esp
254 FE  26 BSHeartland - Unofficial Patch.esp
254 FE  27 Qw_BeyondSkyrimBruma_USSEP Hotfix Patch.esp
 84 54     Oblivion Gates Remade.esp
 85 55     Immersive Patrols II.esp
 86 56     MainlandStalhrim.esp
 87 57     Frostfall.esp
 88 58     Manor Roads.esp
 89 59     Convenient Horses.esp
 90 5a     Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
 91 5b     Unique Uniques.esp
 92 5c     TCIY_BCS Patch.esp
 93 5d     BeyondSkyrimMerchant.esp
254 FE  28 No Snow Under The Roof - CRF Patch.esp
 94 5e     The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
 95 5f     HoldBorderBanners.esp
 96 60     Oblivion Gates in Cities.esp
 97 61     FNISspells.esp
 98 62     OBIS SE Patrols Addon.esp
 99 63     Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
100 64     ApachiiHelmetWigs.esp
101 65     Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
102 66     Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
103 67     Wildcat - Realistic Damage Plugin.esp
104 68     Enchanted Dawnguard Armory SE.esp
105 69     OBIS SE - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
106 6a     The Ordinary Women.esp
107 6b     Bijin AIO.esp
254 FE  29 Qw_TheOrdinaryWomen_AIOverhaul_CRF Patch.esp
           Bijin NPCs.esp
           Bijin Warmaidens.esp
254 FE  2a USSEP-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
254 FE  2b Qw_BijinAIO_AIOverhaul Patch.esp
           Bijin Wives.esp
108 6c     Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
109 6d     Serana.esp
254 FE  2c YOT - Frostfall Module.esp
110 6e     FoodforFrostfall.esp
111 6f     dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
112 70     Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
254 FE  2d BS_Campfire.esp
113 71     Killable Children.esp
114 72     RSChildren.esp
254 FE  2e BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
115 73     1nivWICCloaks.esp
116 74     WetandCold.esp
117 75     WetandCold - Fur Hoods Fix.esp
118 76     Wet&Cold - WaterFix - Addon.esp
119 77     TrueStorms_Wet&Cold_Patch.esp
120 78     DAB_IJ_Weight_Patch.esp
254 FE  2f ImmersiveJewelryXSummermyst.esp
121 79     Better Vampires.esp
122 7a     Predator Vision.esp
123 7b     Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp
124 7c     DeadlyDragons.esp
125 7d     DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
254 FE  30 Deadly Dragons - Diverse Dragons Collection.esp
254 FE  31 Qw_BarenziahQuestMarkers_USSEP Patch.esp
254 FE  32 Qw_BijinAIO_CRF Patch.esp
254 FE  33 Qw_BookCoversSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp
254 FE  34 Qw_RelightingSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp
254 FE  35 Qw_BijinAIO_ICoWinterhold Patch.esp
254 FE  36 Qw_RSChildren_AIOverhaul Patch.esp
254 FE  37 Qw_TheOrdinaryWomen_ICoWinterhold Patch.esp
254 FE  38 Qw_DeadlySpellImpacts_AOS Patch.esp
126 7e     iNeed Bruma Water Patch.esp
127 7f     SMIM-Bruma-Patch.esp
254 FE  39 CH BRU.esp
128 80     Masters of Death.esp
254 FE  3a YOT - iNeed.esp
254 FE  3b YOT - Moonlight Tales Overhaul.esp
254 FE  3c YOT - Cutting Room Floor.esp
254 FE  3d YOT - CoWI.esp
254 FE  3e YOT - Summermyst.esp
254 FE  3f YOT - Wildcat.esp
254 FE  40 YOT - Andromeda.esp
254 FE  41 YOT - Convenient Horses.esp
254 FE  42 YOT - Wet and Cold.esp
254 FE  43 YOT - Shadowrend.esp
254 FE  44 YOT - Tundra Homestead.esp
254 FE  45 YOT - Umbra.esp
254 FE  46 YOT - Dawnfang and Duskfang.esp
254 FE  47 YOT - Saints & Seducers.esp
129 81     TCIY BCS Patch.esp
254 FE  48 TCIY_CRF_Patch.esp
254 FE  49 IW_AIOverhaul_Patch.esp
254 FE  4a IW_Bijin_Patch.esp
254 FE  4b Wildcat-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
130 82     Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
131 83     Faction Crossbows.esp
254 FE  4c Qw_CloaksOfSkyrim_CRF Patch.esp
           Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
132 84     RSC CRF Patch.esp
133 85     Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
134 86     Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
135 87     Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp
254 FE  4d CWIOrdinatorPatchSSE.esp
254 FE  4e Qw_Ordinator_AOS Patch.esp
254 FE  4f YOT - Ordinator.esp
254 FE  50 YOT - Apocalypse.esp
136 88     ELE_SSE.esp
254 FE  51 ELE_SSE_CRF.esp
137 89     ELE_SSE_BSBr.esp
254 FE  52 Qw_ELE_CRF Patch.esp
254 FE  53 Qw_ELE_ICoWinterhold Patch.esp
138 8a     RealisticWaterTwo.esp
254 FE  54 RealisticWaterTwo - Needs Mod Patch.esp
254 FE  55 RealisticWaterTwo - Beyond Skyrim Bruma.esp
           Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

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 I have no idea what your first mods are from ccbgssse002-exoticarrows.esl through all the unofficial patches as I have not used any of them. I have used all of the following (except  Saints and Seducers) and have had trouble with crashes with all of them:

Campfire.esm
ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp
TrueStormsSE.esp
Purewaters.esp
RelightingSkyrim_SSE.esp
Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
RaceMenu.esp
honedmetal.esp
BlendedRoads.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
MoonlightTalesMCM.esp
ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Warm.esp
CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp
AI Overhaul.esp
OpulentThievesGuild.esp
Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
TheChoiceIsYours.esp
SkyrimSewers.esp
DIVERSE SKYRIM.esp
OBIS SE.esp
Oblivion Gates Remade.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
MainlandStalhrim.esp
Frostfall.esp
Oblivion Gates in Cities.esp
Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
The Ordinary Women.esp
Bijin Warmaidens.esp
Better Vampires.esp
Predator Vision.esp
Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp
DiverseDragonsCollectionSE.esp
Masters of Death.esp
Moonlight Tales Overhaul.esp
Summermyst.esp
Wildcat.esp
Andromeda.esp
Wet and Cold.esp
Shadowrend.esp 
Dawnfang and Duskfang.esp
Saints & Seducers.esp

I would disable all of these and see if it then runs... might narrow down your list of potential problems.

Edited by Cryzeteur

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Those first ones are the Creation Club plugins.  The unofficial patches for those are listed after.  I was hoping I wouldn't have to go through and re-do these one at a time, but it sounds like that's where I'm headed.  Figured I would check in and see if anybody had seen this before and could point me towards the problem child.  Well, there's this weekend gone.

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You don't have to try the mods one by one.  Do them in batches, so deactivate all of them, activate say 20 mods, run the game.  If all works, do another 20 mods and so on.  If it crashes then one of the 20 you just activated are the culprit, so then deactivate 10 of them, if all works, add a couple more.  If crash, deactivate some and try again. 

You can do more then 20 mods if you want, that number was just taken from thin air. 😜

Good luck finding the culprit !

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I usually activate all the mods that I am pretty sure are not the culprit and see if the game loads and works. Usually it does. Then I work on whats left one by one checking the Nexus page as I do to make sure I didn't overlook something.

The twenty mod approach also works. When you find the culprit is in the twenty then I disable half of them and see which half has the culprit. Just a few loads and you can find the naughty file.

Usually I find that the bad file was misloaded/corrupt and works fine when reloaded from Nexus.

Once you get a batch loaded properly then you do the same thing on remaining files. Just be careful to keep track of the files you are working on. Forgetting which files you just loaded puts you back at square one. 

Gopher's approach of one file at a time is really quite sensible, if slow. The less obvious glitches are more annoying since the files seemed to be working until you try something specific for a quest and you get a crash for no obvious reason. That's why gopher runs around all over Skyrim before he starts a play-through.

Edited by Cryzeteur

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I found the problem.  Even with the corrections suggested by the page, Killable Children and Simply Knock appear to be causing a problem with the Papyrus Script mod.  If I install them after, they overwrite and the game will not load.  If I install them before, they cause the game to crash at the main menu.  Oh well.  I use killable children mostly because I don't like the idea of immortal kids.  And never got to use Simply Knock.

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  1. I have run simply knock with not problems. I don't use it for the same reason Gopher removed it from his list. I can be annoying.

I used killable children once -- probably two years ago. I liked the idea of killing Braith  :)

 

I would like to point out that these annoying children do add to the immersiveness.

 

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