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So today I go to Micro center and purchase my parts...

Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L 240mm RGB Water

G.Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2 x 8GB DDR4-2666 PC4-21300...

Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 32-bit/64-bit English USB

Samsung 970 Pro 512GB SSD 2-bit MLC NAND M.2 2280 ...

ASUS ROG Strix Z390-E Gaming LGA 1151 ATX Intel MOBO

Intel Core i9-9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 GHz LGA 1151

Cooler Master NR600 MasterBox Tempered Glass ATX F...

EVGA SuperNOVA 850 G+ 80 Plus Gold 850W Fully Modu...

H.E.C. COUGAR Vortex Silent Hydro Dynamic Bearing ...

 2 ea         $18.99 x 2

Cooler Master High Performance Thermal Paste

 Grand Total     $1,463.71

I am going to re-use my GTX 1080 Ti 11GB  Video Card, and a couple of SSD I have.

This was not easy, going back and forth do I need that, could I just do with this.  But All of this for under $1,500.00    of course last night I saw this

PowerSpec G706 Gaming Desktop PC AMD Ryzen 7 3700X Processor 3.6GHz; NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super 8GB GDDR6; 16GB DDR4-3200 RAM; 1TB NVMe SSD   for $1,500

I will post once I am finished and maybe some pic.

 

 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, Flyddon said:

This was not easy, going back and forth do I need that, could I just do with this.  But All of this for under $1,500.00    of course last night I saw this

PowerSpec G706 Gaming Desktop PC AMD Ryzen 7 3700X Processor 3.6GHz; NVIDIA RTX 2070 Super 8GB GDDR6; 16GB DDR4-3200 RAM; 1TB NVMe SSD   for $1,500

I will post once I am finished and maybe some pic.

Every time I buy a computer I immediately see something better and cheaper. Always happens.

I bought a $600 MSI  gaming computer  with GTX1060 a couple of months ago and haven't used it yet because I am still missing a critical part. It isn't as good as the computer I am using, but I bought it as a spare in case this one goes down. 

I am thinking about getting a new computer next year or the year after when the new chips come out. The next generation of chips will last quite a few years before anything better comes out.

It is a little confusing as to whether the AMD or the Intel architecture is best. Intel tends to hold back to specific standards for industrial use whereas AMD goes all out for general computing and is probably best for gaming.

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UPDATE:   The Build from Hell

So it's not working..completely.

Got all the parts, assembled them the Video card (GTX 1080 Ti)  is not detected. Post beep  1  then 3 short.  Checked everything... all looks good.

I moved DP cable to MoBo onboard Display, Intel UHD Graphics 360, installed Win 10...  did updates and all.  All good there.

Here's my notes, so when I call ASUS for trouble shooting, I have the story.

 

Building new desktop

I am re-using my old GTX 1080 Ti.  It works in my old system, I have tested and re-tested it works!  The old system has a EVGA 750 PSU.

Setting up the new system with all new EVGA 750 PSU,  Z390-E MOBO,  I9 9900K CPU, water cooled CPU.  M.2 NVME Drive (boot drive)

I installed the Video card (1080 Ti), check power cables, double checked   by now I have removed and installed this damn card 6 times.

When I start up the computer, I get post beep, then 1 long beep and 3 short beeps,  Meaning no VGA display detected.


I have:
Changed out PSU with a new EVGA 850 PSU  (just in case it was under powered)
Updated BIOS
Install another GTX 980 Ti   (it works fine)
Install "Geforce Experience" for the 980   with Drivers  (all good)
re-installed the GTX 1080 Ti   (did not detect, POST  1 long and 3 short beeps)
reinstalled the new EVGA 750 PSU & reinstalled GTX 980 Ti  (works fine)

Installed  the GTX 1080 Ti back in to old system...  it works fine.

 

Read online about enabling  "Above 4G Decoding", which I did , and still nothing.   So tomorrow, back to micro Center... pay $40 for this to be someone else headache.

It pisses me off because I can put the GTX 980 in it, and it works, I can put the GTX 1080 back in my old system and it works...

 

If you have any thoughts let me know I will be taking this to the shop around 12 noon EST tomorrow.  This is the last build I will be doing.

 

 

 

 

 

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Because the GTX980 works fine this means everything is working correctly. When you install the 1080TI it would be detected if it were working properly so the problem is with the GTX 1080TI.

It is possible that a motherboard setting is blocking the TI, but it is far more likely that the TI is just not functioning correctly. This could be caused by the video driver and may be caused by incorrect installation of the TI drivers. Possibly the TI driver install software is corrupt.I would download a fresh copy of the GTX1080TI install software and try that.

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3 hours ago, Cryzeteur said:

so the problem is with the GTX 1080TI.

That would be logical ...  however I can take the 1080 Ti and put it in my other system (from which it came out of (in working state)) and it works fine there, detected as a GTX 1080 Ti.  So just to recap  the GTX 980  works fine in both Old and new system, the 1080 Ti works in old system but not new.

Now a difference is the MOBO and Win 10 vs Win 7.  I have Win 7 in the old  system  and have installed Win 10 in the new system.  I think it's the MOBO and or BOIS...  why?  I don't think it's Win10 Because the POST does not even get to Win 10 Boot, the Mother Board BIOS is what is not finding the video card.  And remember the MOBO/BIOS finds the GTX980 on PCIe Slot #1 (so it's not a dead slot) and the GTX 1080 Ti does work in the other system...  So it just about has to be the BIOS???

Anyway, I took it to Micro Center today, felt like I was leaving my child at the doctors 🙁 .  They said they should let me know something by Friday.  Looking on the bright side, this extra time will give Rockstar time to fix more of the issues with RDR 2 .

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What I suggested is that the software in the new machine is not right.

Try loading a fresh copy of the GTX 1080TI Drivers to your new computer.

I agree that the slot is not a dead slot, but if the system does not know what to do with the video card it will go to default which may cause the system to hang.

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3 hours ago, Cryzeteur said:

Try loading a fresh copy of the GTX 1080TI Drivers to your new computer.

Exactly what I thought.  The Problem is with Geforce you can not load drivers for something you don't have install on the computer or at least that is detected on the computer.

I had the GTX 980 installed and working and then could update and download the latest drivers for it...   but I think it was only for the 980.  UNtil I can get my computer to "seeing" the 1080 installed I can't download drivers for it. 

I got to get the MOBO to see the 1080, well I say I got to get... they actually have to get the thing to work now...not me.  I am searching now to see if this MoBo has any history of issues with the GTX 1080 Ti.

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I guess it is an NVIDIA card. You are correct. You cannot get the download until the card is in the machine and the internet is working.

It is weird. Since the 980 works the 1080 should work unless the default video software conflicts with it.... or the 980 software is booting and overriding recognition of the 1080. 

Maybe try removing the video software completely? This would force the MB to seek a new video card or boot the default video on the MB. The 1080TI should not crash the system.

The MB may be looping trying to run 980 on 1080 and failing because of out of bounds addresses.

Have you tried running the machine using the default video? Maybe there is an error in the program. I always start a new build using default video... no cards of any sort, just to make sure everything is ok. I suppose you already did this. So when you first started the machine with the 1080 card it should have been a default start. Because of this you probably already did the vanilla start, but it doesn't hurt to specifically try it again. 

Also carefully read the specs of all the MB switches and make sure they are correct. Check the wiring again. The wiring should be ok since it runs the 980, but the switches may need to be different to allow the 1080 to function. Probably not. Grabbing stuff out of thin air. Seeing fairies and gremlins behind the resistors.

Every time I have a problem like this it turns out to be something really simple. Something I did without thinking. Always my fault except once I got a bad CPU.

Did you call the MB support? They can probably run remote diagnostics on the board.

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So now I am reading in the ASUS forums, that a few other people have had issues with 1080 Ti and 2070/2080 and this mother Board, when they also have an M.2 drive install in M.2 slot 1, but it's not confirmed.  One guy had the issue and solved it by moving the M.2 drive (card) to the slot #2 ...  something about when you use M.2 slot #1 on the mother board it lowers the PCIe slot 1 to a 8 instead of 16.  but another person said theirs was working fine in that configuration.

I am going to give it until Saturday  before I start by something new and demand my money back on this crap...  if they can't fix it.   

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16 hours ago, Flyddon said:

So now I am reading in the ASUS forums, that a few other people have had issues with 1080 Ti and 2070/2080 and this mother Board, when they also have an M.2 drive install in M.2 slot 1, but it's not confirmed.  One guy had the issue and solved it by moving the M.2 drive (card) to the slot #2 ...  something about when you use M.2 slot #1 on the mother board it lowers the PCIe slot 1 to a 8 instead of 16.  but another person said theirs was working fine in that configuration.

I am going to give it until Saturday  before I start by something new and demand my money back on this crap...  if they can't fix it.   

Sorry you have had so much trouble. Such things are so very common building computers from scratch.

Some sort of incompatibility between the TI and a high end motherboard it a typical problem. I have heard of other problems with the TI that are very similar.

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OK   so it's fixed and working...

My new system

  1. Cooler Master MasterLiquid ML240L 240mm RGB CPU WaterCooler
  2. Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit English USB
  3. Samsung 970 Pro 512GB SSD 2-bit MLC NAND M.2 2280 
  4. ASUS ROG Strix Z390-E Gaming LGA 1151 ATX Intel MOBO
  5. Intel Core i9-9900K Coffee Lake 3.6 GHz LGA 1151
  6. Cooler Master NR600 MasterBox  Case
  7. EVGA SuperNOVA 750 G+ 80 Plus Gold 750W
  8. G.Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2 x 8GB DDR4-2666 PC4-21300
  9. EVGA GTX 1080Ti Hybrid 11GB Video Card

The issue I had was ASUS Z390-E mother board, when using an M.2 SSD MLC in slot 1 as the Primary Boot Drive, does not allow Ti video cards to be detected.  ASUS does not confirm this, and EVGA does not see this.  But the forums on ASUS had a few people that had the same or similar issue, and if you move your M.2 Boot drive to Slot 2 your issue goes away.  The Guy at Micro Center had to figure this out.

I finally got Red Dead Redemption 2 PC  to work, I don't know if it was my new system or all of their patches and fixes. But it's pretty now boy!

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1unrlfXgkrpgUfl8PONkymlHYQpm0p0qj

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1clquna6V_DyT6ovARYYfn4RszcRGaF8v

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1GTawiUgoMRRiFYTE9OYjxP_xyvrAWYcq

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1jG1mWmvoFwhDSx8XFqvTTHZsQEZ2Xm3V

 

 And with an I9 9900K and GTX 1080 Ti 11GB I will be good to go for CP 2077.

 

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