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Well, I finally started SSE.  Loaded the mods from Gopher's list, minus a few, and some of mine from Oldrim that had been ported over.  (There are a few that weren't, and I'll miss them.  A few that "supposedly" work, but I'm not so sure.)  Anyway, I load up, get in game and there are some weird menu problems in the MCM.  I thought it was because I had a few mods not active (Because they bork-up the opening.) and it would be fixed.  Well, nope.  And worse, I have some problems with the MCM and not being able to access the menus for more than 5-6 mods before I have to close entirely back to game and re-open.  So, I turn to the community, because these problems make some of the mods un-usuable.  Here's a screen shot.  (I've got more, but they all need to be shrunk down.)  20180622205354_2.thumb.jpg.c15d7649ccbac1ee17ee91d97d5bb33a.jpg

Also, my load order:

  0  0     Skyrim.esm
  1  1     Update.esm
  2  2     Dawnguard.esm
  3  3     HearthFires.esm
  4  4     Dragonborn.esm
254 FE   0 ccbgssse002-exoticarrows.esl
254 FE   1 ccbgssse014-spellpack01.esl
  5  5     Unofficial Skyrim Special Edition Patch.esp
  6  6     ApachiiHair.esm
  7  7     ClimatesOfTamriel.esm
  8  8     BSAssets.esm
  9  9     BSHeartland.esm
 10  a     BS_DLC_patch.esp
 11  b     Campfire.esm
 12  c     SMIM-SE-Merged-All.esp
 13  d     Audio Overhaul Skyrim.esp
 14  e     Cutting Room Floor.esp
 15  f     SkyUI_SE.esp
 16 10     AHZmoreHUD.esp
 17 11     AMatterOfTime.esp
 18 12     iHUD.esp
 19 13     Footprints.esp
 20 14     Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp
 21 15     MajesticMountains.esp
 22 16     EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
 23 17     Purewaters.esp
 24 18     iNeed.esp
 25 19     iNeed - Extended.esp
 26 1a     CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp
 27 1b     Book Covers Skyrim.esp
 28 1c     ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-L1.esp
 29 1d     IcePenguinWorldMap.esp
 30 1e     Lore Weapon Expansion - Goldbrand.esp
 31 1f     SmokeBraziersOnly.esp
 32 20     BetterQuestObjectives.esp
 33 21     Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
 34 22     Summermyst - Enchantments of Skyrim.esp
 35 23     DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
 36 24     Immersive Jewelry.esp
 37 25     Morrowloot.esp
 38 26     OBIS SE.esp
 39 27     Original Opening Scene.esp
 40 28     Ordinator - Perks of Skyrim.esp
 41 29     Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp
 42 2a     Immersive Weapons.esp
 43 2b     Unique Uniques.esp
 44 2c     MajesticMountains_Moss.esp
 45 2d     OpulentThievesGuild.esp
 46 2e     YOT - Your Own Thoughts.esp
 47 2f     CWIELnFXSEPatch.esp
 48 30     SkyrimsUniqueTreasures.esp
 49 31     Better Vampires.esp
 50 32     Wildcat - Combat of Skyrim.esp
 51 33     dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
 52 34     SkyrimSewers.esp
 53 35     Lore Weapon Expansion - Relics of the Crusader.esp
 54 36     Lore Weapon Expansion.esp
 55 37     Stronger Daedric Artifacts SE.esp
 56 38     Run For Your Lives.esp
 57 39     Cloaks.esp
 58 3a     Lore Weapon Expansion - Daedric Crescent.esp
 59 3b     Immersive Patrols II.esp
 60 3c     MainlandStalhrim.esp
 61 3d     Frostfall.esp
 62 3e     No Snow Under The Roof - CRF Patch.esp
 63 3f     The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
 64 40     HoldBorderBanners.esp
 65 41     Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim.esp
 66 42     Apocalypse - Ordinator Compatibility Patch.esp
 67 43     dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
 68 44     honedmetal.esp
 69 45     Andromeda - Unique Standing Stones of Skyrim.esp
 70 46     SimplyKnock.esp
 71 47     BetterQuestObjectives-CRFPatch.esp
 72 48     BetterQuestObjectives-PaarDilemmaPatch.esp
 73 49     BetterQuestObjectives - BCS Patch.esp
 74 4a     BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp
 75 4b     Wildcat - Realistic Damage Plugin.esp
 76 4c     TrueStormsSE.esp
 77 4d     WetandCold.esp
 78 4e     FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
 79 4f     Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
 80 50     ForgottenMagic_Redone.esp
 81 51     Forgotten Magic - Ordinator Compatibility Patch - Restoration Tweak.esp
 82 52     Enchanted Dawnguard Armory SE.esp
 83 53     Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
 84 54     Cloaks - USSEP Patch.esp
 85 55     WetandCold - Fur Hoods Fix.esp
 86 56     HearthFire Display Case Fix.esp
 87 57     Simple AUA.esp
 88 58     SilentSneakAttack.esp
 89 59     Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Enhanced Blood Patch.esp
 90 5a     Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
 91 5b     AllThievesGuildJobsConcurrently.esp
 92 5c     AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
 93 5d     OBIS SE - Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
 94 5e     Killable Children.esp
 95 5f     USSEP-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
 96 60     Wildcat-Immersive Weapons Patch.esp
 97 61     Wet&Cold - WaterFix - Addon.esp
 98 62     TrueStorms_Wet&Cold_Patch.esp
 99 63     MoonlightTalesMCM.esp
100 64     YOT - iNeed.esp
101 65     YOT - Wearable Lanterns.esp
102 66     YOT - Frostfall Module.esp
103 67     Ordinator - Beyond Skyrim Bruma Patch.esp
104 68     Predator Vision.esp
105 69     Moonlight Tales Special Edition.esp
106 6a     YOT - Moonlight Tales Overhaul.esp
107 6b     Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp
108 6c     Relationship Dialogue Overhaul.esp
109 6d     RDO - iAFT Patch.esp
110 6e     TheChoiceIsYours.esp
111 6f     Convenient Horses.esp
112 70     Realistic AI Detection 2 SE Lite.esp
113 71     TCIY_BCS Patch.esp
114 72     RDO - CRF + USSEP Patch.esp
           RDO - USSEP Patch.esp
115 73     CH Bruma Patch.esp
116 74     ELFXEnhancer.esp
117 75     Immersive Citizens - ELFXEnhancer patch.esp
118 76     RealisticWaterTwo.esp
119 77     Audio Overhaul Skyrim - Realistic Water Two Patch.esp
120 78     RealisticWaterTwo - iNeed.esp

This was sorted by Loot.  The mods by name (Ordered by their folder order in NMM):

Immersive Armors

Audio Overhaul for Skyrim Special Edition (+ Compatibility patches for Enhanced Blood Textures, Realistic Water Two and Immersive Weapons), Silent Sneak Attack

Apachi SkyHair SSE, CBBE (+Normal Map Options and CBBE SMP)

Unofficial Skyrim SE Patch, SSE Fixes, Simple Auto Unequip Ammo, Hearthfire Display Case Fix

Cloaks of Skyrim SE, Wet and Cold Fur Hoods Fix

Immersive Jewelry SSE 1.5

Skyrim Unique Treasures V3, Morrowloot Special Edition

Wildcat, Wildcat Realistic Damage Plugin

Mainland Stalhrim

Skyrim Sewers 4 (SE)

No Snow Under the Roof, Realistic Waters Two, True Storms Special Edition

Skyrim Skill Uncapper, Run for your Lives, Cutting Room Floor, Predator Vision, Realistic Ragdolls and Force, Follower Trap Safety (Someone let Gopher know about this one, so Inigo doesn't kill him with fire traps.), Sprint Jump SSE, Hones Metal - port to SSE, Andromeda, Simply Knock SE

Opulent Thieves Guild, All Thieves Guild Jobs Concurrently

Relationship Dialogue Overhaul (+ RDO SE - CRF and USSEP Patches Final, RDO SE - RDO SE - iAFT SE Patch), Immersive Patrols SE, Wet and Cold, iNeed, Even Better Quest Objectives, YOT - Your Own Thoughts SE, Hold Border Banners, Follower Commentary Overhaul

Immersive Citizens

Wearable Lanterns


Apocalypse - Magic of Skyrim (And Ordinator Patch), Forgotten Magic Redone (And the Ordinator Compatibility Patch with Restoration Tweaks v 1.2), Enchanted Dawnguard Armory

Smoke Remover - braziers only

Papyrus Util SE

Book Covers Skyrim, Ruins Clutter Improved SE (+ the 3 patches), SMIM, Leanwolf's Better-Shaped Weapons, Majestic Mountains (+ Majestic Mountains - LoD), Immersive Armors SSE CBBE Bodyslide Conversion, M17 Septim Gold Coin Retexture

Convenient Horses

Beyond Skyrim: Bruma (+ DLC Integration Patch)

Frostfall, Immersive Amazing Follower Tweaks (+ USSEP/DLC patch), OBIS SE (+Immersive Weapons patch), Campfire, Killable Children (Not what I used in Oldrim, but the only one that I could find.)

Climates of Tamriel, Ordinator, Better Vampires, Immersive College of Winterhold, Opening Scene Overhaul, Moonlight Tales Special Edition

Patches (Cutting Room Floor/No snow under the roof, Immersive Weapons SE patch, Bruma Patch for Convenient Horses, True Storms Wet & Cold compatibility and Water Fix, Moonlight Tales/Predator Vision), The Choice is Yours (+ Book Covers patch)

The Paarthunax Dilemma

Realistic AI Detection SE

Quality Workd Map SE with Roads (+ Clear Skies patch), SkyUI, moreHud, A Matter of Time, Lockpick graduation, iHUD, Moonlight Tales MCM

BodySlide, Enhanced Blood Textures, ELFX, Deadly Spell Impacts, Footprints, Pure Waters

Immersive Weapons, Lore Weapons Expansion SE

Unique Uniques, Stronger Daedric Artifacts.


Edited by FMPhoenixHawk
Forgot the mod name list.
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When you load Gopher's mods everything should work fine if you follow all the steps in the instructions. If you don't follow the steps, then mods will not behave. Also it seems you loaded a ton of mods without checking if they were working together. Gopher always loads mods one at a time and checks to see if each one is working. I often load all the mods that I know work together and then test, but I already know they work. Then I load five at a time and check, always loading the mods I think are safest first. That way I know which mods are causing problems. When you know which mod doesn't work, a little fiddling usually corrects the problem. Some mods are simply incompatible.

Mods like Mainland Stahlrim, Storms Wet and Cold, Beyond Skyrim: Bruma require some special fiddling. Once they are running smoothly with everything else they should run with any more problems. But your mod list is large and some of your mods may have bad loads or you messed up the installation.

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I'm not sure if I loaded any of them badly, but I think I did it right.  Hmmm.  Going to have to tear down the entire thing and rebuild it, I guess.  Wasn't sure if there was a patch I was missing or not.  Crap.  I really don't want to have to delete and re-download them all.  Guess I'll get to testing again.

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Okay, so far, it appears when I install Wet and Cold or iNeed is when it starts.  I've downloaded each one again, and reinstalled.  I'm not sure if it's a problem with the DLL Plugin Loader required for SSE or if there's something else.  The only other things I have installed now are Immersive Armors, SkyUI, Apachii SkyHair, A Quality World Map and the Clear Skies plugin, SSE Fixes, Cutting Room Floor, A Matter of Time, FNIS, iHUD, moreHUD, Ordinator, Original Opening Scene, Enhanced Blood Textures, CBBE and the Normal Map, the Unofficial Patch, Immersive Armors, Skyrim Skill Uncapper, Hold Border Banners, SMIM and the Windmills and Prisoner Cart patches, and Lockpick graduation.  But the problem was showing up even before that point, when I just had the basics (USSEP, SkyUI, CBBE, ApachiiSkyHair, iHUD, moreHUD, A Matter of Time, and SSE Fixes.)  Even when I pulled CBBE and the texture mods, still there.  I uninstalled the PapyrusUtil mod as well, so I don't know where this is coming from.  Anyone got any ideas?

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Another update, I installed Campfires and all the menus are jacked up.  This is an older shot, but it's the same now.  It's like there's a script or patch missing, but I cannot find one.  Anyone got any ideas?  I did re-download and reinstall the mod, still this.  I'm going to try a test on a new character, maybe I've got a bad file in the save.  Maybe cleaning it will work.


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One more and I'll stop.  One of the follower mods (iAFT, RDO) or maybe Immersive Citizens is making Faendal yammer constantly when not in stealth.  It's worse than in the vanilla game.  Ack!  I've got the patches for RDO and iAFT.  Help me shut him up (And maybe all other companions.)

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BTW... My SkyrimSE game has a strange hiccup as well. It seemed to develop after the next to the last Skyrim update from Bethesda.

I have updates blocked but sometimes it updates anyway when I start the SKSE login.

In my game, everytime I go to save it pauses a number of times. It started these pauses on about the third save with one pause. Then it progressed adding more pauses as I played. It is now up to 15 pauses which is annoying. Nothing else seems to be wrong.   :D

When it first happened I reinstalled the game and all the mods... started a new game. Nothing helped. I think it is something in a Win 10 update but it might be a Skyrim update. Could even be an NVIDIA update.

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Pulled Morrowloot, I don't really need it.  Morrowloot Ultimate is interesting, but really I don't want to have to complete the entire Dragonborn side quest to be able to craft or upgrade Daedric armor.  Anyone got any suggestions for a mod similar, but that won't bone me from getting/making higher level gear?  Or does Morrowloot Ultimate have ways to turn aspects off without editing the mod directly?

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Well, a new problem.  When I kill a Wispmother and the wisps explode, the screen goes black and the game locks.  Any thoughts?


EDIT: Okay, so when the Wispmother affects me with the power that gives me Frostbite and creates two copies of itself, then it dies, that's when it happens.  I think I might have an issue with one of the spell effects from Summermyst.

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You probably have errors creeping into your save file. Corrupted saves are very common in Skyrim. I think that is why I am getting the fifteen save sounds when I save my game. I also noticed something yesterday that was odd, but not important, obviously, since I can't remember what it was. But I did have to go back to an earlier save each time.

.... one was a possible follower had been put in Windhelm Hold during the final wrap up where I was killing jarl Ulfric. The NPC immediately attacked which cut short the dialogue so the quest line stalled. I solved it by slow time, running over to the NPC before the attack, and disabling the NPC. But that is not a save file problem, obviously. That was an NPC at the wrong place at the wrong time due to a companion mod.

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Hmmm, I used the Falrim Tools save cleaning tool and it still happened.  I was thinking it might be an error with one of the spell mods I was using, but that wasn't it, as far as I could tell, none of them add spell effects.  Still having CTDs when I take equipment too fast from my follower or sell it too fast (The warmth and covering numbers for Frostfall/Wet and Cold are updating relatively slowly compared to the other statistics.)  I guess it's the Skyrim bug rearing it's head.  Short of ripping everything out and playing vanilla + USSEP, I'm not sure there's a good fix yet.  Or going back to Oldrim and loading up on the graphics mods.  I haven't even loaded Noble Skyrim or any of the other new graphics mods Gopher was looking at yet.  Sigh...

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8 minutes ago, FMPhoenixHawk said:

Hmmm, I used the Falrim Tools save cleaning tool and it still happened.  I was thinking it might be an error with one of the spell mods I was using, but that wasn't it, as far as I could tell, none of them add spell effects.  Still having CTDs when I take equipment too fast from my follower or sell it too fast (The warmth and covering numbers for Frostfall/Wet and Cold are updating relatively slowly compared to the other statistics.)  I guess it's the Skyrim bug rearing it's head.  Short of ripping everything out and playing vanilla + USSEP, I'm not sure there's a good fix yet.  Or going back to Oldrim and loading up on the graphics mods.  I haven't even loaded Noble Skyrim or any of the other new graphics mods Gopher was looking at yet.  Sigh...

Yep... could be a spell mod... I have had problems with that type of mod before. You do realize that SKSE is hardly polished and most spell mods use scripts...

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